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A Chat With: Dirty Dreamer

Ambient electronic trio Dirty Dreamer have released their glorious debut album ‘The Everyday in Bloom’. I caught up with two-thirds of the band Daithí O’Connor and Louise Gaffney to chat about the album, creating music with their improv style and their upcoming show in The Workman’s Cellar.

Filled with ambient soundscapes and lush textures ‘The Everyday in Bloom’ was four years in the making mirroring the band’s relaxed pace in meticulously creating each song. 

Daithí:  “Yeah, just taking our time. There was no rush on it really, we were just having fun and obviously the pandemic happened and all that. But even before, we were just having fun and really had no timeline. I think that was something lovely about this. There was no timeline as such or any pressure at all because we’ve been in a situation before that we set aside that time to write and that time to record all that kind of stuff. This was all a little bit more natural, laid back, I suppose.”

The band were part of the choice-nominated electro-folk outfit Come On Live Long. Dirty Dreamer showcases a different side of the trio. I wondered if it was exciting and liberating exploring this new sound.

Louise: “Whether it was a premeditated change or not I’m not sure. When we started this project, we didn’t even really call it a band for the first little while. We sort of went away and we were playing together and improvising around different sounds and a key part of it was we all changed our instrumentation a little. We were all trying different instruments a little bit as well. So it was really slow figuring out what we liked and what we wanted to pursue. That happened before we even put a name on it as a project. When we started realising it had a sound of its own, and it seemed that we had been crafting that, that was when we were like okay, this project now needs a name and it needs, a look and feel as well as maybe a goal, not necessarily deadline but definitely a goal and we started recording basically everything we did from that point, once we had that sound. We just pressed record on every rehearsal session and started gathering a huge archive of recordings.”

The songs on the album at times appear to refer to the beauty of the world around us, and the importance of taking in the small moments of serenity between the chaos of modern life. However, Daithí and Louise explained to me the album isn’t intentionally a concept album.

Daithí: “ I would say no, I don’t think it’s a concept album. there are threads through it. We would write and rehearse all after a day’s work. We come in here in the evenings so all the highs and lows of the day just anyone’s day, kind of informs everything else. So maybe you could tie content onto that, I suppose.”

Louise: “I don’t think there is, the songs all have their own micro themes within them. Some of them maybe link and some of them maybe don’t. But if there’s a concept in there it was the way of writing actually. So all of the origins of each song just come out of hours of improvisation. So just literally free. Someone might do something someone responds to it, and then someone adds a thing and all of a sudden it starts to build into a song or starts to approach something with a bit of structure. Because we recorded everything that happened in the room, for every rehearsal session we had or writing session we had, we’d have a couple of hours that we would go and listen throughout the week. We would take the sounds, everyone would listen and then highlight little parts that we thought we loved or thought we could work on again and revisit. So as a process that was really new. Having, individual time to listen and decide what was working and what maybe wasn’t and then to come back next week and go again.”

The band created a lot of material over the four years. We discussed how overwhelming the task of filtering through all that material was. 

Daithí: “ Yeah we have hours and hours of stuff. So what would happen is, we play and jam away here. Then Ken [McCabe], who’s not here at the moment, he was like the archivist and he’d be the filter as well. He would listen back and say, I think this is good, I think this is good. Then he would send it on to us two. Very often there was loads of that and there was weeks where you would just constantly be doing new stuff. You’d have to go back and say hold on, let’s just put the brakes on now because we have folders and folders of so much stuff and we’re just gonna keep writing new music. We need to stop. So for maybe a month, say, one in four months, we would put the brakes on and develop those ideas a little bit more. Then when we got tired of doing that, we would come in and say okay let’s work on that song we were doing two months ago. But then what we always do is we start off playing and then we would just play for the rest of the evening. We wouldn’t actually come back to that. So we had to be a little bit strict on ourselves to say okay, let’s stop improvising and playing and let’s put a bit of structure on it. “

‘The Everyday in Bloom’ is an ambient album filled with soft instrumentation, hazy synths and ethereal soundscapes. ‘Caddy’ is a fine example of this. The track revolves around a wonderful vocal melody accompanied by subtle guitar, earthy elements and electronics. Though the song is filled with intricate instrumentation the trio manage to maintain a sparse and light atmosphere throughout.

Louise: “That one’s an interesting one because it could be the oldest one on it. That would have been a really old archived recording that Ken had written just the guitar part for. It was resurrected when we were in the middle of maybe…. we’d maybe done a few of the other tracks and I remember it in an email thread and I pulled it up and was like this was really cool. We should maybe try to work this… when we brought it back, we just played it a lot in the room and just tried to see where the melody is going to come from, where all the other instrumentation is gonna sit, how it will layer up to make it more interesting. So it could have just been guitar and vocals and nothing else but it has a lot of ambient stuff going on in it.”

Daithí: “ That recording is recorded live in this room and I didn’t know it all that well. So I’m looking at Ken constantly to see what he’s doing on the guitar and I’m following him. Which is something that we’ve never done. Usually, when you go into studio, you know every note that you’re going to play. It’s premeditated, you know what to do. But for this one it was kind of just very reactive. I was definitely reacting to what Ken was doing. I had to look at his hand constantly to see what he was going to do next. But it worked. That’s the recording that you hear on the album”

Louise: “I think in terms of a song where you’re using words to create meaning somehow, that’s the one that I always go back to as maybe one of the more coherent songs because it does have a really strong theme and it’s about something and it’s a story told over time, in a way that maybe some of our others aren’t maybe as explicit. So I always liked listening to that one myself and quite pleased with the writing side of it”

‘Downhill’ is another special moment within the album. The distorted intro is a bit of a shock when you first hear it, especially after the peaceful and soothing nature of the previous track ‘Caddy’. It beautifully shows the experimental nature of the band’s music as they momentarily break away from the tranquilising wall of sound of previous tracks to inject a dash of edge into the album. 

Daithí: “Again, that comes back to what Louise has mentioned before, a kind of stepping outside your comfort zone and find a new territory. That sound is just off a piece of equipment that we use all the time in this room. We knew we wanted to incorporate that because it’s the sound of the room. It’s the sound that we make in the room so we knew it had to be recorded. I suppose it might be difficult for the listener, maybe at the start because it’s quite a juxtaposition sound, quite… harsh ..to start and then the guitar comes and that’s what was nice about all of this. Before we would have second-guessed that and said oh they’re two really clashy sounds and for somewhere else, it might not have worked but where we are now is in a huge rehearsal space.There are loads of bands playing all the time. So when you’re walking down the corridor, you’re hearing the sound of loads of bands inside a room. So the soundscape going down to the kitchen for cup of tea is massive. So that definitely fed into it. “

Dirty Dreamer have masterfully created an album that captures the free expressive nature of their sound. The ability to capture this element of their art in a piece of music let alone for an entire album is sometimes a difficult task for artists. However, Dirty Dreamer have pulled it off spectacularly. 

Daithí: “Yeah, That’s it. That’s the mission accomplished for saying that yeah “

Louise: “Yeah it’s a really interesting thing. I only happened across it recently in a podcast and it got me thinking but that’s exactly what we did there. There was this psychologist she was talking about how you have to use a very childlike free state of mind to create something original. Then you need to use a very different mindset to edit it.So if you’re already using your edit brain when you’re trying to create, you’re not going to get very far down the road or you won’t get somewhere interesting. So it reminded me [ of us ] – the improv its the child brain, we don’t actually police ourselves and we just do whatever. Then there were those months where we would act different in the room and it was all business we’d all be sitting at the table and that struck me, that is the process that we use, you know, we didn’t try to edit in the moment or try to think about the outcome. Because it didn’t matter. It was like we were generating so much, the outcome, we couldn’t even think about it in the moment.”

Daithí: “It’s striking the balance between that I suppose”

Considering the trio were working on these songs for over four years, I wondered if all the songs had evolved and taken new directions since their first inception.

Daithí: “Good question. I would say some have,  some definitely haven’t. The likes of Caddy again. That sounds like when we played it in the room. We played it a couple of times, but it really didn’t change all that much.“

Louise :“Yeah. ‘Did You Think I Would Forget’, that longer ambient one. That changed quite a lot over time because the initial idea was a different type of track. It wasn’t a song structure as much as it was a soundscape and so it had to evolve over time to get somewhere interesting. We were working with a small little nugget of something that needed quite a bit added to it. So that was quite different.”

The track ‘Anywhere’ was the one that sparked my previous question. It is a beautiful song with balmy guitar and soft dance-like beats. The track’s soft layering and melodic progressions made me think the song had been meticulously crafted and could have originated as a different concept altogether from what we hear on the album.

Louise: “That is a good question. That song was kind of like that”

Daithí: “yeah, that I suppose went through a couple of iterations. The thing that got us with that was the arrangement. The sound was always there, but it’s just the arrangement as to what goes where. That was recorded quite a lot.“

Dirty Dreamer are set to perform live on Thursday 2nd June at The Workman’s Cellar. We discussed what fans can expect from the show

Daithí: “So the idea for the live show is to recreate what we do in this room. But put it on a stage. Now, obviously not like the constant tea breaks and stuff like that but to have it quite fluid, like it is in here and try and represent that as best we can in the live environment which is what we’re trying to do at the minute and it’s loads of fun.”

The live show promises to deliver the same experimental and free approach the trio took to create the album resulting in slightly changed versions of the songs.

Daithí: “Yeah, exactly changed versions of the songs and then trying to see how we can link songs together without a break. 

Louise: “Yeah even allowing space for us to actually improvise a little bit where there’s longer pauses that we can noodle around and find that same improv that we would have used to create the songs somewhere in the live set, in between the more structured pieces.”

The band experimented and learned a lot about themselves and their music during this process. I asked Daithí and Louise from their experience so far, what advice would they give to a budding young artist.

Louise : “ I can only speak to maybe the lessons I’ve learned as opposed to solid advice. I think that big one of not worrying about the outcome too much comes back to me constantly because that just scuppers you so much and it’s the one thing you want to do when you’re trying to start. It’s like I want to make an album or I want to make an EP and that’s really to be thought about later. You got to go in and create a load of stuff first before you start aiming for that and know what you’re about and what you want to sound like. You have to play a lot and play with other people, involve other people that’s a huge thing. Find your people that you want to make music with because it’s lonely on your own.”

Daithí: “ Find people on the same wavelength and spend time playing – just play and don’t worry all that kind of stuff. That’ll come and if the music is good that will all fit together. Yeah, don’t worry too much about the outcome because if you’re into music, you’re into music, that’s the bottom line. It’s not about all the other stuff, if that happens, that happens it doesn’t really make a difference, you’re still going to be in a sweaty rehearsal room jamming away”

Dirty Dreamer have a unique and experimental sound that is raw and melodically rich. They don’t shy away from allowing their artistic unconscious write the music. This lucid way of creating is what makes ‘The Everyday In Bloom’ such a compelling album. It’s a wonderful listening experience filled with expressive soundscapes, hazy atmospheres and refined musicianship.

Stream ‘The Everyday In Bloom’ below 


Author: Danu